Name the friction
Start with what feels slow, repetitive, expensive, confusing, or fragile.

Talk to the discovery agent first. It helps identify the pain point, estimate the benefit, and decide whether a call is worth booking.
Start with what feels slow, repetitive, expensive, confusing, or fragile.
The agent helps turn the pain point into a practical benefit range.
A call comes after the opportunity is concrete enough to discuss.
If the benefit is not clear, the next step is not another meeting.
The agent is there to turn vague automation interest into a grounded target: the workflow, the cost of the problem, the likely benefit, and the smallest useful next move.

First, we will figure out if the project makes sense for you and help you get clarity on how valuable automation is for you. If the project makes sense for the both of us, then these are the rates that I will charge. Different projects have different complexity, and so the charge will vary based on that.
When the pain point and upside are clear, the process naturally becomes a focused call about what should be built.